A helping of TRUTH (Why Planet X can not and does not exist)

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Re: A helping of TRUTH (Why Planet X can not and does not ex

Post by fuzoid » Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:39 pm

chris owens wrote:I think all you deniers are scared of the facts and dont want to know the truth....or are government shills to prevent mass panic


And I think you're a paranoid chicken little who wouldn't recognize the truth if it hit you off side your head. Government shill? No, I'm a member of the disinformation crew, among others, or so we've been told. I guess we can add you to the list of individuals who believe we're intentionally misleading others. Hey, let's not allow legitimate science and facts to get in the way of the BS you're slinging, right?

the orbit I was taught in scholl showed the planets orbiting at the center of the sun....not trailing behind it, like they do...and was taught that they rotated on the galactic plane.


Well, you were taught wrong. Or at least you weren't provided with the whole story. The mass of our sun, while warping space-time (which is why bodies orbit it), also stretches it, as does the Earth and the other planets. If you could visualize it it would look similar to water flowing down the drain or when you flush your toilet. And in a sense the sun does drag all its orbiting bodies along, but to a very minimal effect. Anyway, what do you mean by trailing behind it? Just as time is relative, so is position.

And let's try not to misconstrue or take my comments out of context okay?

since I have been studying this for the past 10 years, my science only gets better


Well, you have yet to present any real science so how can it get any better?

and fuzoid...not your real name


Which is all you need to know about me.

.....the planets do follow the sun through the galaxy, what would make you say they dont


This is what I was speaking of about not misconstruing my comments.

You stated: "so you have a bunch of planets following a star (sun) around the galaxy"

And my response was: "Which they don't, so your argument is moot."

And I repeat, the planets do not "follow" the sun! While they are dragged along, very slightly, the warping of space-time around the sun actually causes everything orbiting it to fall in towards it. The only thing preventing this from happening is the mass of the object, its distance from the sun and the speed of its orbit. If gravity ceased to exist, and providing we and the planets didn't just float away as particles, which is what would happen, you would witness all objects orbiting the sun go off in a straight line forever unless acted upon by another force.

Now, if you had said our entire solar system, including the most distant objects in the Oort Cloud, are simply following the laws of physics orbiting the center of our galaxy, you would be on to something. But even then our solar system and the local region of our galaxy do not "follow" the galaxy or the center of it. The same rules that apply to our solar system also apply to the galaxy as a whole. And to the best of our knowledge, the same rules of physics apply throughout the entire universe!

another ...our suns binary twin may have exited....but just for 3600 years...have you been alive that long...didnt think so
whats to say it wont show up again


If it exists, then in all likelihood it will! However, there is no evidence for it. Our closest star neighbor is approximately 4 light years away. That's approximately 24 trillion miles and it would take longer than 3600 years to reach us from its current distance! But for the sake of argument, let's say our binary twin is a Brown Dwarf star. Brown dwarfs are nearly invisible to the naked eye since they give off so little light. However, if it existed as a brown dwarf, it would still be visible in the infrared range of the spectrum because it would still be giving off heat! And no such binary twin exists otherwise we would have found it by now. So, as I have stated, if it ever existed, it has long since exited stage left and will not make a reappearance anytime soon, if ever.

so I say if people want to know whats going on, they should listen to people like me that independently research this stuff and not just regurgitating what they have been taught...


Which is exactly what you're doing, regurgitating stuff you've been taught. Or did you develop all these nonsensical theories yourself? Oh, and for the record, I've been studying physics much longer than your 10 years of studying nonsense pseudoscience and conspiracy theories. I have legitimate science on my side while all you have is illogical pseudoscience.

I get my thoughts from all kinds of different sources and then come to my own conclusions as to what is actually happening


You take nonsense from various sources and then try to make sense of it all, and therein lies the problem. Nonsense means just that, non-sense as opposed to making sense. But if you believe you have an accurate picture of what's really happening then you should have no problems supporting it using legitimate science. Please do because you have yet to present science of any sort.

so what makes you an expert


I never claimed to be an expert, but I am well versed in science and physics and can spot pseudoscience when I see it. And since your entire argument rests on a misinterpretation of the Mayan calendar, the rest of your nonsense is just that, non-sense. You began with a false premise and then tried to twist science to fit your false premise, which meant the rest of your argument fell flat on its face. If you have the evidence to prove me wrong, then do it. Otherwise stop with the nonsense end of the world theories because very real children read this crap and people like you are scaring the hell out of them for no reason.

Not only have you earned an F, but you have now earned the Dunce Cap. Go sit in the corner and hang your head in shame for trying to scare kids into believing there is no future to live for. Shame on you.

Re: A helping of TRUTH (Why Planet X can not and does not ex

Post by chris owens » Tue Sep 25, 2012 11:33 am

I think all you deniers are scared of the facts and dont want to know the truth....or are government shills to prevent mass panic

the orbit I was taught in scholl showed the planets orbiting at the center of the sun....not trailing behind it, like they do...and was taught that they rotated on the galactic plane.

since I have been studying this for the past 10 years, my science only gets better

and fuzoid...not your real name.....the planets do follow the sun through the galaxy, what would make you say they dont

another ...our suns binary twin may have exited....but just for 3600 years...have you been alive that long...didnt think so
whats to say it wont show up again

so I say if people want to know whats going on, they should listen to people like me that independently research this stuff and not just regurgitating what they have been taught... I get my thoughts from all kinds of different sources and then come to my own conclusions as to what is actually happening

so what makes you an expert

Re: A helping of TRUTH (Why Planet X can not and does not ex

Post by fuzoid » Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:47 pm

I promised myself I was going to take a break away from all this useless bickering but your two posts forced me to break my promise to myself. Well....I'll just deal with myself when I'm done here.

chris owens wrote:if I may say....the reason we cant see it is the same reason we cant see anything real good beyond the sun....because the sun bends light.


Which means if Nibiru existed we would be able to see it. It's the same principle that has proven Relativity. But even if you were right, which you're not, the sun could not mask the gravitational influence Nibiru would exert on the rest of the solar system. Guess what? It's September with a little more than 3 months to go before the end of time......according to the doomsayers. If Nibiru is supposed to make an appearance then it better hurry up because the clock is ticking.

second....most conventional thinkers see the earth in one mindset, to see what is going on in our solar system, we must also think galactically.


Yes and no. That everything in our galaxy is influenced by everything in our galaxy (everything in our galaxy IS our galaxy!) is without doubt, any measurable influence on our solar system would take millions of years. Meaning we could never hope to measure any change unless an experiment was set up that could last millions of years and someone is actually around to compare the results to its million+ year long experiment.

now for class...... our solar ecliptic is an angle to the galactic ecliptic, and thought to be moving in a counter clockwise direction within the galaxy. Given that....we now know that the planets are not on a flat ecliptic with the sun, as they are being dragged along behind the sun, the bigger they are the harder they are to drag given all the gravitational forces at work. now sometimes these planets may have the slinky effect...closer or farther away from the sun...(galactic gravitational forces at work)


If this is class you receive an F. Direction of orbit is a matter of perspective. From ours [mostly] everything seems to be orbiting/rotating counterclockwise, but to an alien approaching our solar system from below our perspective, it would be rotating clockwise. This applies to our galaxy as a whole. And neither are our solar system's planets being dragged along. In the vacuum of space an object, once put into motion, wants to move in a straight line until it is acted upon by an outside force. That outside force is our sun, which is warping space-time in the general vicinity causing all bodies orbiting it to fall in towards it. The only thing preventing this from happening is their orbit speed. If a bodies relative motion begins to slow down, it will fall closer towards the sun until it eventually falls into it. And if its speed picks up then it will take a position further out in the solar system or escape it all together!

Slinky effect? Are you really referring to how an object speeds up approaching the sun and slows as it moves further away....in a highly elliptical orbit? If so, what about it? Anyway, I have no idea what you're trying to say in your above quote and your bad science compounds it.

so you have a bunch of planets following a star (sun) around the galaxy


Which they don't, so your argument is moot.

........whats to say that our star(sun) doesnt have a binary twin....most other stars do... they usually orbit each other.


While you are correct binary systems seem to be more prevalent, and it is quite possible our sun may have started out as a binary system, the observable evidence says if our sun did start out as a binary star system, its binary twin has long exited the stage.

OK lets move on.....now whats to say that our stars binary twin doesnt have planets with it, could be possible...and if they are orbiting their star at the opposite angle ....could happen........then that would mean that it would only be seen from the southern pole of our earth...when it gets close enough.


Which is an awful lot of speculation that doesn't qualify as science and contradicts the observable and gravitational evidence.

now if you've ever seen two ball magnets in a vacuum roll towards each other , its slow at first, then they speed up....hmmm so very soon we may start seeing these objects


Hmmm.....no big surprise there! They're magnets, of course they're going to attract each other, and speed up the closer they get to each other! And the slight gravitational influence they have on each other also contributes to the effect.

2012 could be the start of us seeing , because the Mayans were star watchers, they may have done their celestial calender up to the date it would first be seen again


Wrong again! Recent evidence seems to suggest that while the 13 bak'tun date was important to the ancient Mayans, the text speaks of ancient political history rather than prophecy. You can read more about here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/2 ... d%3D174490

now sit back...take all tht in and the reply....not tommorrow...not in two weeks....give it a month to sink in


If anyone allows this nonsense to sink in then they are just as scientifically illiterate as you appear to be. No offense intended.

fuzoid
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Re: A helping of TRUTH (Why Planet X can not and does not ex

Post by Halter » Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:26 am

Erm...... Er............. Please can you tell me why the motion described in the video is surprising? Weren't young school children told that the Earth revolves around the Sun which itself revolves around our galaxy? I certainly was - around 45 years ago. All this video shows is a representation of an established fact. Very pretty but hardly Earth-shattering.

This is a typical silly theory based on the thought processes of someone who hasn't even bothered to check their facts. They've taken the description of a simple model and assumed everyone has been lied to about the reality of a situation. The motion visually represented is not outside scientific thinking. Neither is it knowledge withheld. To gain such knowledge all you need do is either go to school or read any astronomy book in your local bookstore or library.

Re: A helping of TRUTH (Why Planet X can not and does not ex

Post by chris owens » Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:03 pm

to give an idea about what I'm talking about...someone has an animation



now imagine another system coming through ours just like that.....our binary twin system

not only does the planets have an up and down motion...but the sun does also, through the galactic plane...takes several thousands of years, but as the sun is moving up and down...so also are the planets.....so you might get a galactic plane alignment

also....thinking galactically....the earths poles do not move....they are always pulled to the center of the galaxy, and as the earth moves up and down and around in one year....you get summer and winter....which would also cause an 11 year cycle of cold and warm ......think bigger always

I believe you people are in for a surprise in a few years because 2012 is just the beginning

Re: A helping of TRUTH (Why Planet X can not and does not ex

Post by chris owens » Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:19 am

if I may say....the reason we cant see it is the same reason we cant see anything real good beyond the sun....because the sun bends light.

second....most conventional thinkers see the earth in one mindset, to see what is going on in our solar system, we must also think galactically.

now for class...... our solar ecliptic is an angle to the galactic ecliptic, and thought to be moving in a counter clockwise direction within the galaxy. Given that....we now know that the planets are not on a flat ecliptic with the sun, as they are being dragged along behind the sun, the bigger they are the harder they are to drag given all the gravitational forces at work. now sometimes these planets may have the slinky effect...closer or farther away from the sun...(galactic gravitational forces at work)

so you have a bunch of planets following a star (sun) around the galaxy........whats to say that our star(sun) doesnt have a binary twin....most other stars do... they usually orbit each other. OK lets move on.....now whats to say that our stars binary twin doesnt have planets with it, could be possible...and if they are orbiting their star at the opposite angle ....could happen........then that would mean that it would only be seen from the southern pole of our earth...when it gets close enough.

now if you've ever seen two ball magnets in a vacuum roll towards each other , its slow at first, then they speed up....hmmm so very soon we may start seeing these objects

2012 could be the start of us seeing , because the Mayans were star watchers, they may have done their celestial calender up to the date it would first be seen again

now sit back...take all tht in and the reply....not tommorrow...not in two weeks....give it a month to sink in

Re: A helping of TRUTH (Why Planet X can not and does not ex

Post by highdude7449 » Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:07 pm

Do the math, planet x comes ABOUT every 3600 years, the next time being 2012. Using time benchmarks are negitive for B.C. and positive for A.D. I used a calculater to subtrat +2012 - 3600, I got 1588 B.C. (Negitive) Nothing happened around that time, fact or faked? It's easily faked because nothing reportidly happened in 1588 B.C. so why should we worry?

Re: A helping of TRUTH (Why Planet X can not and does not ex

Post by WendyW » Sat Mar 31, 2012 11:30 pm

All I have to say is that I agree that The human Race was not wiped out then and we wouldn't be here now. I heard of this and did my own research and went to see if others came up with the idea as well I figured that if the PLANET X is real cool that would be neat so what Humans lived threw it before. Afterthought maybe not after we turn on each other in a panic because most people will see the green light to kill to "survive" we might be our own demise in this event and it will not be from floods or earthquakes it will be from instilled fear of irrational preachers at the pulpit screaming in the lords name the end is near!!! OMG I will be prepared for the day prepared to protect my family from the crazy that come out the woodwork ... It is hard enough now to protect your family in this world I am scared of the idiots that will panic and freak out for nothing.

Re: A helping of TRUTH (Why Planet X can not and does not ex

Post by thanksnoplanetx » Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:47 am

Thank you, i was also worried about planet x, but now i dont have to off myself on new years, lol jk but still thanks noplanetx

Re: A helping of TRUTH (Why Planet X can not and does not ex

Post by engineerretired » Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:29 pm

jsdorset wrote:kepler 20e and 20f. But could these be part of the Nibiru system?


NO! The five planets in the Kepler 20 system are in the Lyra constellation 1000 light-years distant. If one of these planets started toward
the Solar System today it would take a thousand years travelling at the speed of light to arrive. Impossible.
If this planet left some time in the past and was close to the Solar System it would have been discovered.

These planets have nothing to do do with Nibiru. By the way, Nibiru does not exist.

engineerretired

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